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			<description><![CDATA[<p>As FranticRock notes, forcing surprise is a brainstorming trick and works for composition as well as improv. But remember - the "creative" part is NOT the randomized surprise itself but rather YOUR composed, massaged, developed, coherent and integrated RESPONSE to the surprise. </p><p><br></p><p>Or as I have said elsewhere, when the listener (or reader if you are doing writing) experiences YOUR surprises as NATURAL, you have succeeded. <br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 22:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<P>I really enjoy Scott Henderson's way of putting it for Improvisation.&nbsp; He thinks of music as a language.&nbsp; So when he's making up a solo, he tells a story:&nbsp; "Ed Went to the store",&nbsp; "and then he bought some bread",&nbsp; "and then he bought some eggs", etc...&nbsp; So i think that phrases and motifs have to be related to each other in order to make sense.&nbsp; But then the next thing can be:&nbsp; "And then a car crashed through the wall"&nbsp; - and you can surprise the listener.&nbsp; </P> <P>Maybe the same concept of "playing off of yourself" can be applied to composition&nbsp;&nbsp; - where you're gradually developing the whole song, not just one melody.&nbsp;&nbsp; Chris Standring's Overture and Blue Bolero come to mind, simply because i've been listening to this album a lot lately. </P> <P>I'm very fascinated by the idea of having long, non-repetitious songs that keep changing, rather than having a Verse 1, Chorus 1, Verse 2, Chorus 2, Bridge, Chorus 3 format.&nbsp;&nbsp; </P> <P>Another idea i try to force myself into every time I jam to backing tracks is:&nbsp; Play something you have never done before.&nbsp;&nbsp; Force yourself to play an uncomfortable sequence of notes.&nbsp;&nbsp; Skip a string, mix up the direction or contour of the melody, or try to repeat a motif or alternate motifs&nbsp;across the chord changes.&nbsp; Chic Corea comes to mind here.&nbsp; This is more of an improvisation idea though.&nbsp;&nbsp; Perhaps it would be meaningful for composition as well - let's say:&nbsp; you are only allowed to use chords which you've never used before, and sounds/patches/tones which are new as well.&nbsp; It's kind of a musical "alchemy".&nbsp; </P>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 22:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>FranticRock</dc:creator>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Composition can be done in many ways, but however it is done, it will involve building a stable and attractive architecture out of basic musical elements. </p><p>Different musics have different elements to draw from, as well as different traditions for doing the combinations. Might work, but might not, to MIX traditions. If you start thinking about altered ninths and major seventh chords, you are very quickly NOT going to be able to say you are in the blues genre. <br></p><p>Many musicians think "notes". Many think "tone". Many think sequences (of notes or chords, perhaps like Ed B above). </p><p>Composers, like architects, like storytellers, like screenwriters, like painters, tend to think about the OVERALL structure. Thinking about the impact on the audience of the juxtaposition and movement between major parts is how a composer differs from a player. <br></p><p><br></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 22:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<P><FONT size=4 face="times new roman,times">OK! You do have a good perception of tonality. What I found to be helpful to music fans and students when learning a chart is to:</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=4 face="Times New Roman">1. Find the key by listening to the bass or bass key in the keyboard in the final chord of the song. Usually, the last bass note dictates the key.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=4 face="Times New Roman">2. Before the day of modern notation - the classical composers used a number system in lieu of chord symbols. Many country and pop musicians just rely on this way of learning a song.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=4 face="Times New Roman">If a chart is in the key of C, the number system to harmonize the key is:</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=4 face="Times New Roman">I&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; ii&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;iii&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; IV&nbsp;&nbsp; V&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;vi&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; vii&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (I)</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=4 face="Times New Roman">C&nbsp;&nbsp; Dm&nbsp; Em&nbsp;&nbsp; F&nbsp; &nbsp; G&nbsp;&nbsp; Am&nbsp; Bdim&nbsp; (C)</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=4 face="Times New Roman">So if you play the&nbsp;I, IV, V chords in the key of C, you are playing the C,F,G&nbsp;chords. The I, IV, V is the most basic progression in music. Blues, Rock'n Roll, Country would not exist without it.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=4 face="Times New Roman">We can expand the number system and harmony by using various combinations:</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=4 face="Times New Roman"></FONT>&nbsp;</P> <P><FONT size=4 face="Times New Roman">I&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; vi&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ii&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; V&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=4 face="Times New Roman">C&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Am&nbsp;&nbsp; Dm&nbsp;&nbsp; G&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; C</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=4 face="Times New Roman"></FONT>&nbsp;</P> <P><FONT size=4 face="Times New Roman">Doo Wop and Rock n' Roll could not exist without this progression.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=4 face="Times New Roman">You can experiment by mixing up the number system. Some chords work well together, others may be dissonant.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=4 face="Times New Roman">Ex.&nbsp;&nbsp; I&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; iii&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; vi&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;ii&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; vii&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; I</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=4 face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; C&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Em&nbsp;&nbsp; Am&nbsp;&nbsp; Dm&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Bdim&nbsp;&nbsp; C</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=4 face="Times New Roman">In your blog, inthevoid, you are actually talking about musical intervals.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=4 face="Times New Roman">In the C chord, the note C is always referred to as the first interval or Tonic.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=4 face="Times New Roman">The next tone is three notes above the tonic or a Third. The note name is E. The final note in a simple C chord is Five notes above the tonic or a Fifth. The note name is G. Like you said, by changing the distance of the intervals you change the sound of a chord. The sound may be harmonic or dissonant. Only the melody or feel of the chart your playing dictates what type of sound you want in the harmony.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=4 face="Times New Roman">Look at Duke Ellington's "Take The A Train" - He begins on C (very nice pleasant harmonic sound) but goes to a D7(b5)... ouch! The chord is dissonant but resolves to a Dm (pleasant) chord.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=4 face="Times New Roman">He then begins the final harmonization by going to the G7 (Remember the V chord in the number system, above?) and back to the Tonic or C. </FONT></P> <P><FONT size=4 face="Times New Roman">A simple progression by a true master!</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=4 face="Times New Roman">The bridge in the song uses the IV chord or F and goes to a V/V chord or D. The V/V refers to the fifth interval from G which is D. That's where the D major chord comes from in the key of C major. The maestro goes to the ii chord (D minor)&nbsp;moves to the G chord, which is the dominant chord that usually (but not always) resolves to the C chord.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=4 face="Times New Roman">You have the idea down, inthevoid!</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=4 face="Times New Roman">Have fun and don't get too wrapped up in music theory. But it does help to know why things work out the way they do! Hope this works for you!! LOL!</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=4 face="Times New Roman">Ed Baran</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=4 face="Times New Roman"></FONT>&nbsp;</P> <P><FONT size=4 face="Times New Roman"></FONT>&nbsp;</P> <P><FONT size=4 face="Times New Roman"></FONT>&nbsp;</P>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 22:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<P>Thanks for your comments. They are well thought out. I think the next variation in composition to mention is timing and duration of notes. I don't know how many series there are or the maximum one can have without repeating combinations of the shortest strings or building blocks that comprise a series of notes. My guess is that there are a finite series of two, three, four and possibly five notes with all of the mutiple variations possible between them and their durations. Like fractals they can be scaled from 1/64th notes up to whole notes or further. So although music seems simple at first to learn the deeper one ponders its beauty the more endless and fascinating it becomes.<IMG alt="" src="http://www.jazzmatrix.com/file/smile/bowl.gif" mce_src="http://www.jazzmatrix.com/file/smile/bowl.gif" phpfox="image-protect"></P>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 22:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>inthevoid2</dc:creator>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Nice analysis!</p><p>Spot on, the alternatives are limited, and the rest works too. Right on, the number of series installed in any individual musician, right. Then there's phrasing, and the colour or blend added to a note. Feel is a good label, I think. But besides all this there is a wide scale of other technical stuff adding to that which defines any particular master in any given genre. Just compare two jazz saxophonists like bird and coltrane, perhaps two of the most legendary. Bird to me is the essence of bebop, add a huge chunk of blues. Coltrane, the 'free' master. Played some blues too, but could never match a master like Bird there. Bird on the other hand had the bebop and blues feel, but free jazz didn't even exist at that time, and I don't know if he'd have enjoyed playing it, but that's just speculating.&nbsp;</p><p>Coltranes phrasing and technique was just as flawless and good as Bird's, but he applied other alternatives. Not all of the time, but many times. Both of them used much arpeggiation, if that's the word, and coupled to that is the fact that they used scales fitting their individual styles. Coltrane used very much all the semi steps in his series', while Bird applied more of what we label the 'bebop' scale, and of course the pentatonic, the blues scale. Another player comes to mind, my favourite jazz guitarist, Ulf Wakenius. Even though he can and has displayed coltranesque strings of semi step playing, he uses much of the blues, very much, seems to enjoy it, which I personally dig a lot. That's a personal style in a very frequently travelled terrain. Miles Davis, the Cool master, alerted me to the importance of limited spread. A more narrow lane, accent and color paired with beautiful arpeggios. Linked together so finely, like a chain of finest golden.&nbsp;</p><p>This is becoming awkwardly lengthy, but then, jazz is a major part of civilization, so...</p><p>Peace</p><p>Skei (the it's a quarter past one at night here now, so, one)<img src="http://www.jazzmatrix.com/file/smile/dizzy.gif" mce_src="http://www.jazzmatrix.com/file/smile/dizzy.gif" alt="" phpfox="image-protect"></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 22:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<P>I am not educated in music like many here are. But I grew up loving music. I listened to some classical. I fell in love with some Chopin, Mozart, Beethoven, Bach, and Tchaikovsky. I loved just about every song from the sixties including Dr. Demento and the Chipmunks. Oh, I forgot Alan Sherman. When I listen to music I know that each note only has three choices for the note that follows. It can be the same, up or down in pitch. The trick is how far if it is up or down. Also it must be in key. So a string of notes is a series of simple choices for the creator or so it would seem. Artists practice several series of 'strings' of notes for adlibing in a song. It becomes their 'signature' or 'style'. The more variety of strings they can play the more accomplished they are. Also the better their audience will tolerate their riffs. Some people are born to create music as easily as the rest of us create casual conversations. Lennon and McCartney immediately come to mind. If I'm wandering here it's probably one beer too many. I just thought I would start a new subject in the forum and see if it goes any where.</P> <P>thanks</P>]]></description>
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